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SHAREDiuretics and cutting water? More reasons why YOU ARE NOT SMARTER THAN YOU
I hear people talk all the time about using a diuretic to lose subcutaneous water. Absolute bunk!!!!!! Water is held in a constant distribution between intracellular & extracellular space about a 70:30 ratio This is good. If you add a diruetic sure you lose some from the extracellular space, but like any chemical system you can't just push the pendulum one way and expect it not to swing back. It will also pull water from inside the cell in order to maintain the proper gradient. If you actually could change this gradient it would cause all kinds of hell. This concentration gradient is crucial for the osmolarity in the cell as well as the correct balance of ions across the cell membrane. So you lose it in the same distribution (70:30) and so all you've done is manage to lose total body water and flatten yourself out. This is bad. Anyone who tells you a diuretic will remove water ONLY from the extracellular space and not the intracellular is straight selling you nonesense, or they just don't understand physiology. It's quite simply, it's taught in basic chemistry: Le' Chatelier's Principle which states: "If a chemical system at equilibrium experiences a change in concentration, temperature, volume (ie water volume), or partial pressure, then the equilibrium shifts to counter-act the imposed change." I know that's not the sexy answer, but it's the TRUTH. Something not many people like hearing these days. Much easier to dream about a magic pill or peaking strategy. Here's a peaking strategy. GET SHREDDED. PERIOD! END OF STORY! cutting water will have a very similar effect as a diuretic. sure you'll lose some subcutaneous water, but you'll actually lose a greater proportion from the intracellular space in order to maintain the proper gradient. This is chemistry class 101. I actually remember seeing this in my AP chem class in high school where they used a semi-permeable bag with water on the inside & outside to show us. They sucked some water out of the outside of the bag (outside the cell) and sure enough. Water from inside the bag crossed the wall to the outside in order to maintain the same proportion. Again, very basic stuff here. The body is a master of homeostasis and nobody is going to 'outsmart' a million years of evolution. Well technically since the cell gradient thing has been around since single celled amoebas how about raising that to half a billion years of evolution. Ain't happenin'. Stop looking for a miracle cure to peaking properly. The only way to ensure you look shredded onstage is to... DUH get shredded and lose as much bodyfat as possible! Crazy final week protocols are the snuggie of contest prep. It's like buying the products on midnight cable. They don't work and they'll make you look stupid if you buy them. -Layne
Interesting. So might it be the scenario where if you cut the ingredient that is actually holding on to water (IE sodium), you will retain less water (IE the sum of the 70:30 ratio is lessened not adjusted)? Or is there really no way to hold less water: In the end you are really only lowering your fat levels?
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BIGGEST LAYNE, thanks for continuing to point out that there are no short cuts to bbing. DO THA WORK, and no magic pill will make it happen. Hope all is goin well with you and you have complete the PhD, buddy. Congrats, Doc!
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So you're saying that the 70/30 ratio cannot be manipulated at any time. What about if you eat too much sodium or sugar, doesn’t your skin hold more water thus lowering the ratio? What about if you eat too many carbs and your muscles are as full as they can get and some of the water spills into your skin, is the ratio lowered at that time? Also, if you have an allergic reaction to a food and your skin "bloats" up doesn’t that affect the ratio?
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I've also read a little about the fatal effects of using or abusing diuretics. That lead me to reading about salt loading/salt cutting just before show day to let the salt pumps dump the water. I guess the same principal applies there, takes water out, but still maintaining the 70/30.
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