Company Busted For Selling Methyl-1,4-ADD Fires Back Against Prolab/Natrol?
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Originally Posted by ZacharyMills
Well handled by BCS I must say.
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Calling into question the one company that sets the standard for quality assurance is not something I would consider “well handled.” Natrol/Prolab will delay release of a reformulated product because they need to run six months of shelf stability tests so they can ensure you don’t get a clumpy product for starters.
It’s sad that the bar as been set so low on the forum that anyone getting busted for selling fake products who replies with “my bad” or some other weak excuse expediently gets a pass. Frankly, it shouldn’t even have to come to getting outed because they shouldn’t be selling fake or tainted supplements in the first place! Just the fact these actions get brushed aside so easily ensures that some other two bit operation will do the same thing. When it does, don’t say you weren’t warned.
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Originally Posted by Manufacturing News
The Chatsworth facility includes 260 employees working a two-shift manufacturing operation. Natrol works closely with its 50 major suppliers on important raw material requirements like quality, purity, and physical characteristics. “Through our vendor qualification program, we audit and qualify the best raw material suppliers in the industry,” said Jenia Khudagulyan, vice president of manufacturing and logistics, who is responsible for operations, manufacturing, receiving, packaging, and shipping. “With highly qualified personnel, our operation functions in strict accordance with requirements set by NNFA [National Nutritional Foods Association] Current Good Manufacturing Practices [cGMP] to assure that we provide our customers with safe, quality products and that we accurately justify our label claims.”
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If anyone wants to know what the Natural Products Association (formerly NNFA) is about have a read:
http://www.naturalproductsassoc.org/
This is industry gold standard for quality assurance beyond just cGMP.
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Originally Posted by Doughboy
I dunno man, I have to disagree with you on this one. You go to a GMP facility to prevent what supposedly happened to BCS.
I am starting to wonder about all of these companies stating they are manufactured in a cGMP facility. |
A lot aren’t manufactured in cGMP facilities, especially the grey market products. In this case, the DHEA laden product was not produced in a cGMP facility because of the following:
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Originally Posted by FDA: Dietary Supplement Current Good Manufacturing Practices (CGMPs)
The requirements include provisions related to:
* the design and construction of physical plants that facilitate maintenance, …continued # Under the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA), manufacturers have an essential responsibility to substantiate the safety of their products and for determining that any representations or claims made about their products are substantiated by adequate evidence to show that they are not false or misleading. # The CGMPs will help to ensure manufacturers produce unadulterated and properly labeled dietary supplements. |
Anyone claiming their non-DSHEA compliant grey market compounds are made in a cGMP facility are full of shit. Also, cGMP manufacturing requires all RAWS be tested as well as final products to be tested for all batches. As you can see, if the questionable supplement was produced in a cGMP facility mislabeled and misbranded products would not have made it to the consumer. It isn’t a problem with who they get their raw materials from as you can plainly see IF they are cGMP.
That’s why the big boys in in the industry pay good money to use cGMP facilities. It lowers your liability and the potential for such “screw-ups” immensely. If anyone really cares read the FDA’s ruling yourself. It’s enlightening and will certainly ellucidate why some of who are actually cGMP get so “pissy” when some claim they are and certainly are not.
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/fr07625a.html
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Originally Posted by dmangiarelli
I’ll stand behind my earlier comments. It’s not often that a company steps up to the plate. more often than not it’s deny, deny, deny then sue!
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Any companies selling misbranded, mislabeled, and non-DSHEA compliant would be foolish to file a lawsuit in federal jurisdiction which is where these matters are handled. Beyond just the fact they are selling illegal dietary supplement in every sense of the law, the countersuit would be hard to overcome and most likely Uncle Sam would find cause for severe fining and possible criminal charges.
Anyone with a brain could easily apply the Lanham Act specifically section 43. You will see a company trying to sue members of Bodybuilding.com go down in flames because of this so get your marshmellows ready.
It gets good after this post and I must say those selling fake products should think twice before questioning industry leaders: http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=94821873&postcount=279
November 9, 2007 at 11:26 pm
Great info I wish more people read your blogs lots of great info man. Keep up the good work.
November 10, 2007 at 12:27 am
Do you suppose the founders of our great Country invisioned this type of slanderous, letigious behavior when they set out to move forward with a democracy that firmly touted competition as the focal point of it’s economic engine? Is "business ethics" still a requirement for business majors these days????
November 10, 2007 at 1:13 am
I think part of the issue here is that some of the profiteers of such actions don’t have any education at all. They have found a conduit to make fast money where there is little oversight.
November 12, 2007 at 2:14 am
nice pic "go sit in the corner….." i swear ive seen that before.
great read, and thanks for watching our backs, not sucking a-hole to sound smart and "fit in"
November 12, 2007 at 9:32 am
Thank Patrick Arnold not me. I’m just sort of a "reporter" of events.
November 29, 2007 at 6:07 pm
Very interesting post Des. I came across a related post earlier today and wanted to get your view on this claim - http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=101308771&postcount=49
Could a company be manufacturing a Halodrol-50 clone at a cGMP certified facility that also handles generic/OTC drugs?
November 30, 2007 at 12:48 am
To Eldawg I believe the answer is no.
July 22, 2009 at 11:19 am
Always insightful and beneficial to know someone cares about whats going on in the workout and physique world .Companies never be given a free pass to produce any product with false pretenses.A real good pro hormone if anyone is interested is Maxodrol , it comes with a money back guarantee, I have had very good success and so to others whom I know use this product.If anyone has anything else that is proof positive would appreciate the info !