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	<title>Comments on: Shoulders and Back Workouts</title>
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		<title>by: Ludlum3k</title>
		<link>http://blog.bodybuilding.com/Ludlum3k/2007/10/26/shoulders-and-back-workouts/#comment-679362</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey thanks for the insightful reply. I guess I have a few responses lol. First, yes I have done the barbell upright rows, as well as dumbbell uprights, EZ curl bar uprights, and that I guess it's called a tricep bar uprights. I don't know, it just seems that exercise doesn't have as much effect on me as it does on most people. As for side laterals, again, I've tried every variation imaginable, but I love them, probably my favorite shoulder exercise :D The reason I threw in Hyperextensions at the end of the workout was just for that little extra effort, they weren't done with weight or anything, just a little addition I felt like doing. The cable rows I just took out for this week, because I just felt like going straight to the pulldowns. The reason I rarely do pullups or chins is because of the amount of strength I need for them, they have to be done first in my routine, and I just feel deadlifts, barbell rows and T-bar rows are best at the beginning. So yeah, I just like changing things every week, to keep things running smoothly. Again, thanks for taking the time to reply, it seems nobody does that anymore :) And good luck with your goals too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey thanks for the insightful reply. I guess I have a few responses lol. First, yes I have done the barbell upright rows, as well as dumbbell uprights, EZ curl bar uprights, and that I guess it&#8217;s called a tricep bar uprights. I don&#8217;t know, it just seems that exercise doesn&#8217;t have as much effect on me as it does on most people. As for side laterals, again, I&#8217;ve tried every variation imaginable, but I love them, probably my favorite shoulder exercise <img src='http://blog.bodybuilding.com/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  The reason I threw in Hyperextensions at the end of the workout was just for that little extra effort, they weren&#8217;t done with weight or anything, just a little addition I felt like doing. The cable rows I just took out for this week, because I just felt like going straight to the pulldowns. The reason I rarely do pullups or chins is because of the amount of strength I need for them, they have to be done first in my routine, and I just feel deadlifts, barbell rows and T-bar rows are best at the beginning. So yeah, I just like changing things every week, to keep things running smoothly. Again, thanks for taking the time to reply, it seems nobody does that anymore <img src='http://blog.bodybuilding.com/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  And good luck with your goals too.
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		<title>by: mmeyer41</title>
		<link>http://blog.bodybuilding.com/Ludlum3k/2007/10/26/shoulders-and-back-workouts/#comment-675432</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>so far so good. Have you tried doing upright rows with a barbell instead of using the smith? I like using a wider grip (shoulder width) when doing them. It seems to help keep my wrist in a neutral position. I wouldnt stop doing them altogether though. Also, have you tried leaning side lateral raises? You can lean to either side against a wall or lean outward holding onto a machine or something and do side laterals. I've found that leaning outward hits the upper part of my shoulder more and leaning inward hits the lower part. You do one arm at a time. This limits the amount of momentum you put into each rep.  I feel that deadlifts work the lower back enough so the hyperextensions may not be necessary. I would throw those cable rows back into your workout since they hit your middle back and lower traps better. Also, wide grip chins are awesome for lat development. I found this out a few weeks ago. I will alternate wide chins for lat pulldowns every other week.  Keep it up man. Hope I've helped a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so far so good. Have you tried doing upright rows with a barbell instead of using the smith? I like using a wider grip (shoulder width) when doing them. It seems to help keep my wrist in a neutral position. I wouldnt stop doing them altogether though. Also, have you tried leaning side lateral raises? You can lean to either side against a wall or lean outward holding onto a machine or something and do side laterals. I&#8217;ve found that leaning outward hits the upper part of my shoulder more and leaning inward hits the lower part. You do one arm at a time. This limits the amount of momentum you put into each rep.  I feel that deadlifts work the lower back enough so the hyperextensions may not be necessary. I would throw those cable rows back into your workout since they hit your middle back and lower traps better. Also, wide grip chins are awesome for lat development. I found this out a few weeks ago. I will alternate wide chins for lat pulldowns every other week.  Keep it up man. Hope I&#8217;ve helped a little.
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